Saturday, July 29, 2006

VIII. The price is vulnerability.

In an article in the December 1998 issue of The Progressive, Rabbi Lynn Gottlieb reported on the treatment given to a 23-year old Palestinian held on "administrative detention." The prisoner was "cuffed behind a chair 17 hours a day for 120 days . . . [he] had his head covered with a sack, which was often dipped in urine or feces. Guards played loud music right next to his ears and frequently taunted him with threats of physical and sexual violence.

found on CounterPunch.Org
We must withstand. If we open this Pandora's box there will be no end to the evil broth spilling out of it. Torture is not a means of 'information retrieval'. It is not at all reliable. The Cautio Criminalis written by Friedrich von Spee in the turn of the 17th century already rejected torture as a means of interrogation.

Torture is a means of suppression. The War on Terror is a Never-Ending-War, as the definition of a terrorist is very obscure. It may be applied to some like the Red Army Faction who considered car-bombs as a means of political fight, or to a group in open Civil Disobedience. One has to be very careful nowadays to speak of freedom fighters: the Nazis of course would have considered the French 'Resistance' a terrorist group...

If we in the least ease the use of torture, we will end with three certain results:

  1. the war on terror will not end. There will always be people who believe that not all oil belongs to America.

  2. There will always be one more terrorist to be tortured legally: anyone of them might provide the information to prohibit a disaster. And if he doesn't know about the bomb itself he knows someone who knows someone who knows someone...

  3. Why stop with terrorists?

And yes: there is a price for being HUman. The price is vulnerability.

Per

8 Comments:

Blogger The Heathlander said...

Erm..sorry Per - I got the posts the wrong way round :(
I'm just so tiired. Anyway, it's like an inside-out jumper: great either way round.

11:38 PM  
Blogger El Mas Chingón said...

Great posts, Per.

Stay awake Heathlander. WE can do it! If you feel tired, go take a short walk to get your blood pumping. I'm not kidding. I used to do it all the time when I would feel sleepy behind the wheel. The brief exercise works like a charm.

11:41 PM  
Blogger The Heathlander said...

Yeh OK. I'll go do some star jumps :)

11:44 PM  
Blogger El Mas Chingón said...

I'm probably going to lift weights around 4am, and not the 22-oz. variety either. LOL

11:47 PM  
Blogger El Mas Chingón said...

Heathlander, I didn't realize 3am was taken. Can you make it 3:30 and 4am? Thanks.

11:48 PM  
Blogger The Heathlander said...

Aye, 'tis done.

11:52 PM  
Blogger The Heathlander said...

What time does it finish, in the times we've been using (PST, I think)? So far, we're fully booked up to 5.30AM, with 45 posts. So would I be correct to assume that we finish at 7am, and so are in need to three more posts?

If so, I'll take 6:00 AM.

11:55 PM  
Blogger De said...

^^ nice blog!! ^@^

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