Saturday, July 29, 2006

VI. Civil and Human Rights?

The need for rethinking interrogation doctrine in the war on terror will not go away, however. The Islamist enemy is unlike any the military has encountered in the past. If current wisdom on the rules of war prohibits making any distinction between a terrorist and a lawful combatant, then that orthodoxy needs to change

Heather Mac Donald

Now here it is. The 'ticking bomb'. Imagine: (if you can't – watch 24!) they got him. 'Him' being the 'terrorist' with the necessary information to find and deactivate the bomb. He's held by the proper authorities and even sneeringly confessing. The hatred is sweating out of him and he's is cursing us with a 'holy war' and a 'dirty' bomb planted somewhere in our biggest cities?

What are we going to do? Adhere to the law – ask him whether he wants legal assistance – has the flight been OK and would you like to rest? Are we going to grant him all the civil liberties our forefathers have so long fought for? Are we willing to sacrifice maybe millions for Civil and Human Rights?



Blogger Per said...

I'am working on #8 now. Jamie, when do you want the quote to be published?

3:37 PM  
Blogger The Heathlander said...

I'm glad you mentioned 24. It's shows like that and NYPD Blue that help make torture seem more acceptable in our soctiey. We have the heroes - in this case Jack Bauer - threatening and using violence against prisoners to thwart a terror attack. And it works, and the attack is foiled, and they are the heroes. It's disgusting.

As to the "ticking bomb" scenario - I don't agree with the premise that it can be considered in isolation. Because the point is that once you open the door to a little bit of torture, you end up using torture for more and more things more and more often. You move from a society where torture is taboo and outlawed to one in which it is accepted and commonplace. Thus, despite what it looks like, the utilitarian thing to do would be to stick within the law.

Per - Well, #7 is going out at 6:30, so why not 7:00?

3:42 PM  
Blogger Per said...

Ok - so The Quote will go out at 700. I'll save #8 draft in a short while...I think it covers your objections...

3:50 PM  
Blogger The Heathlander said...

Good good - we'll save that one for a bit later. I wonder how Mash is getting along...

3:50 PM  
Blogger Dr. Strangelove said...

I am here. I will likely be posting an announcement on Taylor Marsh announcing our participation in Blogathon 2006. She has graciously offered to let me post this announcement. I am waiting to hear back from her as to the timing (I missed the 3pm window she originally slotted).

My post is ready. Just waiting for the time :)

3:54 PM  
Blogger The Heathlander said...

Cool - that should mean lots of extra traffic (and so hopefully a few more pledges).

Tick tock tick tock...5 minutes to go!

3:59 PM  
Blogger Per said...

#8's in as a draft - palease check :D

4:02 PM  
Blogger Dr. Strangelove said...

Per, got to ask you. What's the gorrilla eating?

4:03 PM  
Blogger Per said...

Dr. Strangelove: It is a carrot :D I myself prefer 'Puff the Magic Dragon' if you silently know what I mean...

4:09 PM  

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